tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post6917859438298630713..comments2024-01-12T12:39:47.241-08:00Comments on The Christian Monist: An Ingenuous Apologetic (. . . or why I still believe that Christianity is true . . . or more true) Part IIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-53283021306401748722012-03-03T14:59:09.957-08:002012-03-03T14:59:09.957-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03457723022566193014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-70529746956489263522012-03-03T14:23:59.256-08:002012-03-03T14:23:59.256-08:00And wow, I think you nailed it when you said the a...<i>And wow, I think you nailed it when you said the appeal of Mormonism for women is the stable family thing. Convert to Mormonism, your husband is now 300% less likely to leave you!</i> -- Jaimie<br /><br />And on the flip side (appeal to men), Convert to Islam and you get a Virgin Bride who WILL stay Faithful! Or Else!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-74577668116660434662012-03-03T13:33:20.187-08:002012-03-03T13:33:20.187-08:00Oh, also with the world becoming so overpopulated ...Oh, also with the world becoming so overpopulated (and the abundance of un-parented kids all over the globe), I think having more than 2 kids is hardly a noble thing to do nowadays.Jaimie Teekellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07845537262456320501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-58474601329368889262012-03-03T13:30:31.848-08:002012-03-03T13:30:31.848-08:00HUG,
Just read that article. Interesting stuff. I...HUG,<br /><br />Just read that article. Interesting stuff. I like what he said about SBC's need to believe that correct doctrinal belief leads to spiritual success. <br /><br />And wow, I think you nailed it when you said the appeal of Mormonism for women is the stable family thing. Convert to Mormonism, your husband is now 300% less likely to leave you! And lots of children for you, which means you get to stay around the house cooking and stuff while your husband does the 9 to 5! Sadly, that's the "American dream" for many women. Ugh.<br /><br />I want to say there's nothing wrong with a woman choosing that, but I guess I do believe there's something wrong with a woman choosing that. It feels so cookie cutter and lazy. I think if it weren't the default choice, I wouldn't criticize it like I do.Jaimie Teekellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07845537262456320501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-26724499856800134952012-03-03T12:43:39.681-08:002012-03-03T12:43:39.681-08:00P.S. And don't underestimate the appeal of a ...P.S. And don't underestimate the appeal of a structured society (like a Mormon family, Ward, and Stake) in a time of chaos. Years ago, I heard about women in England raised "anything goes/do your own thing" all their lives who were converting to the most strict forms of Islam. Chaos and Anarchy are scary, and a hyper-structured society where you are told what to do, how to act, and how to think takes a big load off your shoulders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-81740996462394637712012-03-03T12:39:32.252-08:002012-03-03T12:39:32.252-08:00Jaimie:
I suspect it has to do with Mormon imager...Jaimie:<br /><br />I suspect it has to do with Mormon imagery of Big Happy Family. Like Evangelicals, they place GREAT importance on the perfect marriage and family. <br /><br />Joseph Smith founded the Mormons in the "burned-over district" of upstate New York (weird religion capital of the time), burned over by Evangelical revival after Evangelical revival. And Mormonism is as American in its origins and core as you can get. Given those facts, I would expect similarities between the two.<br /><br />So at least from the outside, Mormons can appear more Evangelical than the Evangelicals. Here's an opinion piece on the subject, titled<a href="http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/6899/9/" rel="nofollow">"Mormons = Southern Baptist Zombies"</a>.<br /><br />And since they show more of the characteristics and traits which Evangelicals are taught to think of as Godly (TM), the idea takes hold that "They Must Be More Christian than Us". <br /><br />Like the anecdote about some kid from a Holiness Evangelical background who went Mormon because "Mormons don't drink or smoke."<br /><br />Headless Unicorn GuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-92152594151470173592012-03-03T12:26:58.212-08:002012-03-03T12:26:58.212-08:00What is up with women converting to Mormonism, or ...What is up with women converting to Mormonism, or wanting to? I've seen that so much of that lately. Yet Mormonism is <i>worse</i> than evangelicalism in how it treats women. You have to really hate yourself deep inside to want that, I think. <br /><br />Not saying your wife is that way -- that's just my opinion and obviously it could be more complicated than that. If it isn't about hating yourself, then maybe it's about a deep distrust of yourself and so the more structure the better.<br /><br />I have just seen so many women <i>want</i> Mormonism, not born into it, not heavily manipulated toward it, but want it. Yikes.Jaimie Teekellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07845537262456320501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-13032199832826318222012-03-03T11:21:55.864-08:002012-03-03T11:21:55.864-08:00I'm not sure the reformed belief system offers...I'm not sure the reformed belief system offers much comfort, (and I am a Calvinist). On the one hand it gives assurance via election, and salvation by grace through faith alone, but the other hand takes it away. (You must show you have genuine faith by your works.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-19176501727732095252012-03-03T10:10:27.693-08:002012-03-03T10:10:27.693-08:00As a monist (meaning here that I deeply value this...As a monist (meaning here that I deeply value this world, the physical world, the workings of psychology and emotional things without the need to make everything a spiritual issue) I would say, that her reasons are probably complicated, having to do with her personality, what she was looking for and other influences in her life. I wouldn't say it was God speaking to her from the Koran nor, as a Christian, would I say it was the devil. You would have to analyze this woman to understand why one was more attractive to her than the other.<br /><br />I knew a hard-core evangelical missionary tell me that if I really understood Islam, I would be tempted to become one as he was. <br /><br />Eventually I did get to know Islam quite well (all my associates were Muslim at the time and I was living in a Muslim country) Yet, for me I wasn't attracted at all. I think because all the things I hated about Evangelicalism, were even worse within Islam, the pretending, the dualistic approach to life, the merciless God, the constant working to appease him.<br /><br />My wife says that she would be tempted to be a Mormon. Not me. Again, all the things I hate most about Evangelism are worse within it . . . plus a flaky origin.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03457723022566193014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878914472051909043.post-89757174529665799112012-03-03T08:32:58.387-08:002012-03-03T08:32:58.387-08:00I recently met an Indian woman, born Hindu but, li...I recently met an Indian woman, born Hindu but, like a lot of Indian Hindus, it had no particular meaning for her. In her 30s, still single and childless, she was looking around for a religion that dealt with the problem of pain. So she became friends with some Christian missionaries, and read the Bible though twice. Then she met some Muslims, read the Koran through, felt the God of the Koran speaking to her (whereas the God of the Bible was silent) and converted to Islam. What would you (or a typical evangelical) say to this woman?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com